Remington Model 870 vs Walther P38: Specs Compared

ASmall arms

Walther P38

Semi-automatic pistol

Credit

Askild Antonsen · CC BY 2.0 · Resized · CC BY 2.0 · Source ↗ · Modified

First system

Second system

At a glance

Side by side

Length comparisonOne shared metre scale

Remington Model 870Remington Model 870 · Length · Length

0.67–1.28 m

Length source ↗

Walther P38Length

0.216 m

Length source ↗

Lengths retain their source configuration and measurement scope.

Measured figures

Head to head

18 of 34 rows sourced on both sides

0.67–1.28mRemington Model 870 · Length · Length

216mm

Length

All recorded figures & sources

0.67–1.28 m

Remington Model 870 · Length · Length

Single source

26.3 in (670 mm) to 50.5 in (1,280 mm)^[source]Remington Model 870 · Length

0.216 m

Length

Single source

216 mm (8.5 in)^[source]

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36mm

Width

All recorded figures & sources

0.036 m

Width

Single source

36 mm (1.4 in)^[source]

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140mm

Height

All recorded figures & sources

0.14 m

Height

Single source

140 mm (5.5 in)^[source]

3.2–3.6kgRemington Model 870 · Mass · Mass

0.96kgEmpty

MassScopes differ

All recorded figures & sources

3.2–3.6 kg

Remington Model 870 · Mass · Mass

Single source

7.0 lb (3.2 kg) to 8.0 lb (3.6 kg)^[source]Remington Model 870 · Mass

0.96 kg

Empty

Single source

960 g (34 oz) (empty)^[source]

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0.1kmEffective; Sights set for

Range

All recorded figures & sources

0.05 km

Effective; Sights set for

Single source

Sights set for 50 metres (55 yd)^[source]

710mm

125mm

Barrel length

All recorded figures & sources

0.64 m

Remington 870 · 410 Turkey TSS · Barrel length

Single source

0.508 m

Remington 870 · Fieldmaster · 28, 26, 21, 18.75, 26 and 711, 660, 533, 476, 660 and

Single source

0.508 m

Remington 870 · Fieldmaster · Barrel length

Single source

0.51 m

Remington 870 · FieldMaster Deer · Barrel length

Single source

0.51 m

Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Fully Rifled Cantilever · Barrel length

Single source

0.508 m

Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Synthetic · 28, 26, 21, 21 and 710, 660, 530, 530 and

Single source

0.51 m

Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Synthetic · Barrel length

Single source

0.47 m

Remington 870 · Special Purpose Marine Magnum · Barrel length

Single source

0.51 m

Remington 870 · SPS Super Mag Turkey Predator · Barrel length

Single source

0.65 m

Remington 870 · SPS Superslug · Barrel length

Single source

0.71 m

Remington 870 · Super Magnum Flyaway · Barrel length

Single source

0.66 m

Remington 870 · Super Magnum Turkey/Waterfowl Camo · Barrel length

Single source

0.53 m

Remington 870 · Turkey Camo · Barrel length

Single source

0.64–0.71 m

Remington 870 · Wingmaster · Barrel length

Single source

0.36–0.76 m

Remington Model 870 · Barrel length · Barrel length

Single source

14 in (360 mm) to 30 in (760 mm)^[source]Remington Model 870 · Barrel length

20 in (510 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · FieldMaster Deer

25 in (640 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · 410 Turkey TSS

21 in (530 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · Turkey Camo

25 + 1 ⁄ 2 in (650 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · SPS Superslug

28, 26, 21, 18.75, 26 and 20 in (711, 660, 533, 476, 660 and 508 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster

28, 26, 21, 21 and 20 in (710, 660, 530, 530 and 510 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Synthetic

18 + 1 ⁄ 2 in (470 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · Special Purpose Marine Magnum

20 in (510 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · SPS Super Mag Turkey Predator

28 in (710 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · Super Magnum Flyaway

26 in (660 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · Super Magnum Turkey/Waterfowl Camo

25–28 in (640–710 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · Wingmaster

20 in (510 mm)^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Fully Rifled Cantilever

0.125 m

Barrel length

Single source

125 mm (4.9 in)^[source]

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116rpmsemi-automatic

Rate of fire

All recorded figures & sources

116 rounds/min

semi-automatic

Single source

116 rpm (semi-automatic)^[source]

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320m/s

Muzzle velocity

All recorded figures & sources

320 m/s

Muzzle velocity

Single source

1,050 ft/s (320 m/s)^[source]

Bars compare reported quantities only. A larger figure does not make a system better; configurations and test conditions differ.

Configuration

Details

Remington Model 870 and Walther P38 configuration
Specification	Remington Model 870	Walther P38
Type	Pump-action shotgun^[source]Remington Model 870 · Type	Semi-automatic pistol^[source]
Place of origin	United States^[source]Remington Model 870 · Place of origin	Nazi Germany^[source]
In service	1950–present^[source]Remington Model 870 · In service	1939–1945 (Nazi Germany) 1949–present (other countries)^[source]
Used by	See Users^[source]Remington Model 870 · Used by	See Users^[source]
Wars	Vietnam War Rhodesian Bush War Lebanese Civil War War in Afghanistan Iraq War^[source]Remington Model 870 · Wars	World War II First Indochina War Algerian War Portuguese Colonial War Rhodesian Bush War Vietnam War (limited) The Troubles 1958 Lebanon crisis Lebanese Civil War War in Afghanistan Iraqi Civil War (2014–2017) (P1)^[source]
Designer	L.Ray Crittendon, Phillip Haskell, Ellis Hailston, G.E. Pinckney^[source]Remington Model 870 · Designer	—
Designed	1950^[source]Remington Model 870 · Designed	1938^[source]
Manufacturer	Remington Arms^[source]Remington Model 870 · Manufacturer	Carl Walther Waffenfabrik , Mauser Werke , Spreewerk , Manurhin^[source]
Unit cost	$ 350^[source]Remington Model 870 · Unit cost	30 ℛ︁ℳ︁ (1943) equivalent to €120 in 2021^[source]
Produced	1951–present^[source]Remington Model 870 · Produced	Walther P38 1939–1945 Pistole P1 1957–2000^[source]
No. built	11,000,000+^[source]Remington Model 870 · No. built	c. 1,000,000^[source]
Variants	See Variants^[source]Remington Model 870 · Variants	HP , P1, P38K, P38 SD, P4^[source]
Cartridge	12 gauge , 16 gauge , 20 gauge , 28 gauge , or .410 bore^[source]Remington Model 870 · Cartridge 12-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · FieldMaster Deer .410-bore^[source]Remington 870 · 410 Turkey TSS 12-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · Turkey Camo 12-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · SPS Superslug 12-gauge, 20-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster 12-gauge, 20-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Synthetic 12-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · Special Purpose Marine Magnum 12-gauge ( 2 + 3 ⁄ 4 ", 3" and 3 + 1 ⁄ 2 ")^[source]Remington 870 · SPS Super Mag Turkey Predator 12-gauge ( 2 + 3 ⁄ 4 ", 3" and 3 + 1 ⁄ 2 ")^[source]Remington 870 · Super Magnum Flyaway 12-gauge ( 2 + 3 ⁄ 4 ", 3" and 3 + 1 ⁄ 2 ")^[source]Remington 870 · Super Magnum Turkey/Waterfowl Camo 12-gauge ( 2 + 3 ⁄ 4 " and 3"), 20-gauge, and .410-bore^[source]Remington 870 · Wingmaster 12-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Fully Rifled Cantilever	9×19mm Parabellum^[source]
Action	Pump-action^[source]Remington Model 870 · Action	Short recoil , hinged locking piece assisted breechblock^[source]
Feed system	3+1, 4+1, 5+1, 6+1, or 7+1 round internal tube magazine , or an external 6+1 box magazine^[source]Remington Model 870 · Feed system	8-round magazine^[source]
Sights	Bead, twin bead, adjustable open sights, or ghost ring (all iron sights ). Also cantilever and receiver-mounts for scopes^[source]Remington Model 870 · Sights	Rear notch and front blade post^[source]
Barrel type	Fully rifled^[source]Remington 870 · FieldMaster Deer Vent Rib, Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · 410 Turkey TSS Vent Rib, Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · Turkey Camo Fully rifled extra heavy (fluted)^[source]Remington 870 · SPS Superslug Vent rib Rem Choke and fully rifled^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Vent rib Rem Choke and fully rifled^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Synthetic Cylinder choke^[source]Remington 870 · Special Purpose Marine Magnum Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · SPS Super Mag Turkey Predator Vent rib, Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · Super Magnum Flyaway Vent rib, Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · Super Magnum Turkey/Waterfowl Camo Vent Rib, Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · Wingmaster Fully rifled^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Fully Rifled Cantilever	—
Reported operators	—	Reported operator · Algeria Reported operator · Chad Reported operator · Chile Reported operator · Iraq Reported operator · North Macedonia Reported operator · Mozambique Reported operator · South Africa Reported operator · Thailand Reported operator · Uruguay

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Remington Model 870

Walther P38

Type

Pump-action shotgun^[source]Remington Model 870 · Type

Semi-automatic pistol^[source]

Place of origin

United States^[source]Remington Model 870 · Place of origin

Nazi Germany^[source]

In service

1950–present^[source]Remington Model 870 · In service

1939–1945 (Nazi Germany) 1949–present (other countries)^[source]

Used by

See Users^[source]Remington Model 870 · Used by

See Users^[source]

Wars

Vietnam War Rhodesian Bush War Lebanese Civil War War in Afghanistan Iraq War^[source]Remington Model 870 · Wars

World War II First Indochina War Algerian War Portuguese Colonial War Rhodesian Bush War Vietnam War (limited) The Troubles 1958 Lebanon crisis Lebanese Civil War War in Afghanistan Iraqi Civil War (2014–2017) (P1)^[source]

Designer

L.Ray Crittendon, Phillip Haskell, Ellis Hailston, G.E. Pinckney^[source]Remington Model 870 · Designer

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Designed

1950^[source]Remington Model 870 · Designed

1938^[source]

Manufacturer

Remington Arms^[source]Remington Model 870 · Manufacturer

Carl Walther Waffenfabrik , Mauser Werke , Spreewerk , Manurhin^[source]

Unit cost

$ 350^[source]Remington Model 870 · Unit cost

30 ℛ︁ℳ︁ (1943) equivalent to €120 in 2021^[source]

Produced

1951–present^[source]Remington Model 870 · Produced

Walther P38 1939–1945 Pistole P1 1957–2000^[source]

No. built

11,000,000+^[source]Remington Model 870 · No. built

c. 1,000,000^[source]

Variants

See Variants^[source]Remington Model 870 · Variants

HP , P1, P38K, P38 SD, P4^[source]

Cartridge

12 gauge , 16 gauge , 20 gauge , 28 gauge , or .410 bore^[source]Remington Model 870 · Cartridge

12-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · FieldMaster Deer

.410-bore^[source]Remington 870 · 410 Turkey TSS

12-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · Turkey Camo

12-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · SPS Superslug

12-gauge, 20-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster

12-gauge, 20-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Synthetic

12-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · Special Purpose Marine Magnum

12-gauge ( 2 + 3 ⁄ 4 ", 3" and 3 + 1 ⁄ 2 ")^[source]Remington 870 · SPS Super Mag Turkey Predator

12-gauge ( 2 + 3 ⁄ 4 ", 3" and 3 + 1 ⁄ 2 ")^[source]Remington 870 · Super Magnum Flyaway

12-gauge ( 2 + 3 ⁄ 4 ", 3" and 3 + 1 ⁄ 2 ")^[source]Remington 870 · Super Magnum Turkey/Waterfowl Camo

12-gauge ( 2 + 3 ⁄ 4 " and 3"), 20-gauge, and .410-bore^[source]Remington 870 · Wingmaster

12-gauge^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Fully Rifled Cantilever

9×19mm Parabellum^[source]

Action

Pump-action^[source]Remington Model 870 · Action

Short recoil , hinged locking piece assisted breechblock^[source]

Feed system

3+1, 4+1, 5+1, 6+1, or 7+1 round internal tube magazine , or an external 6+1 box magazine^[source]Remington Model 870 · Feed system

8-round magazine^[source]

Sights

Bead, twin bead, adjustable open sights, or ghost ring (all iron sights ). Also cantilever and receiver-mounts for scopes^[source]Remington Model 870 · Sights

Rear notch and front blade post^[source]

Barrel type

Fully rifled^[source]Remington 870 · FieldMaster Deer

Vent Rib, Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · 410 Turkey TSS

Vent Rib, Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · Turkey Camo

Fully rifled extra heavy (fluted)^[source]Remington 870 · SPS Superslug

Vent rib Rem Choke and fully rifled^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster

Vent rib Rem Choke and fully rifled^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Synthetic

Cylinder choke^[source]Remington 870 · Special Purpose Marine Magnum

Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · SPS Super Mag Turkey Predator

Vent rib, Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · Super Magnum Flyaway

Vent rib, Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · Super Magnum Turkey/Waterfowl Camo

Vent Rib, Rem Choke^[source]Remington 870 · Wingmaster

Fully rifled^[source]Remington 870 · Fieldmaster Fully Rifled Cantilever

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Reported operators

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Reported operator · Algeria
Reported operator · Chad
Reported operator · Chile
Reported operator · Iraq
Reported operator · North Macedonia
Reported operator · Mozambique
Reported operator · South Africa
Reported operator · Thailand
Reported operator · Uruguay