Grob G 115 vs Morane-Saulnier MS.230: Specs Compared

Grob G 115 — licensed reference photograph

ATrainer aircraft

Grob G 115

Basic trainer

Credit

Alan Wilson · CC BY-SA 2.0 · Resized · CC BY-SA 2.0 · Source ↗ · Modified

BTrainer aircraft

Morane-Saulnier MS.230

Elementary Trainer

First system

Second system

At a glance

Side by side

Length comparisonOne shared metre scale

Grob G 115G 115E · Length

7.79 m

Length source ↗

Morane-Saulnier MS.230Length

6.942 m

Length source ↗

Lengths retain their source configuration and measurement scope.

Measured figures

Head to head

16 of 32 rows sourced on both sides

7.79mG 115E · Length

6.94m

Length

All recorded figures & sources

7.79 m

G 115E · Length

Single source

7.79 m (25 ft 7 in)^[source]

6.942 m

Length

Single source

6.942 m (22 ft 9 in)^[source]

10mG 115E · Wingspan

10.7m

Wingspan

All recorded figures & sources

10 m

G 115E · Wingspan

Single source

10.00 m (32 ft 10 in)^[source]

10.7 m

Wingspan

Single source

10.7 m (35 ft 1 in)^[source]

2.82mG 115E · Height

2.73m

Height

All recorded figures & sources

2.82 m

G 115E · Height

Single source

2.82 m (9 ft 3 in)^[source]

2.73 m

Height

Single source

2.73 m (8 ft 11 in)^[source]

990kg

1.2tGross; Gross weight

MassScopes differ

All recorded figures & sources

670 kg

Empty; G 115E · Empty weight

Single source

990 kg

Maximum take-off; G 115E · Max takeoff weight

Single source

670 kg (1,477 lb)^[source]

990 kg (2,183 lb)^[source]

834 kg

Empty; Empty weight

Single source

1,208 kg

Gross; Gross weight

Single source

2G 115E · Crew

Crew

All recorded figures & sources

2 people

G 115E · Crew

Single source

2^[source]

2 people

Crew

Single source

2^[source]

250km/hMaximum; G 115E · Maximum speed

207km/hMaximum; at sea level

SpeedScopes differ

All recorded figures & sources

178 km/h

Cruise; G 115E · long range cruising speed

Single source

250 km/h

Maximum; G 115E · Maximum speed

Single source

250 km/h (160 mph, 130 kn)^[source]

178 km/h (111 mph, 96 kn) (long range cruising speed)^[source]

160 km/h

Cruise; Cruise speed

Single source

207 km/h

Maximum; at sea level

Single source

1,150km

579km

Range

All recorded figures & sources

1,150 km

G 115E · 45% power at FL 80, 45 min reserves

Single source

1,150 km (710 mi, 620 nmi) (45% power at FL 80, 45 min reserves)^[source]

579 km

Range

Single source

579 km (360 mi, 313 nmi)^[source]

130kW

170kW

PowerScopes differ

All recorded figures & sources

130 kW

G 115E · 1 × Lycoming AEIO-360-B1F/B 4-cylinder air-cooled horizontally-opposed piston engine

Single source

1 × Lycoming AEIO-360-B1F/B 4-cylinder air-cooled horizontally-opposed piston engine, 130 kW (180 hp)^[source]

170 kW

1 × Salmson 9AB 9-cylinder air-cooled radial piston engine

Single source

1 × Salmson 9AB 9-cylinder air-cooled radial piston engine, 170 kW (230 hp)^[source]

12.2m²G 115E · Wing area

19.7m²

Wing area

All recorded figures & sources

12.21 m²

G 115E · Wing area

Single source

12.21 m 2 (131.4 sq ft)^[source]

19.7 m²

Wing area

Single source

19.7 m 2 (212 sq ft)^[source]

6,095mG 115E · Service ceiling

5,000m

Service ceiling

All recorded figures & sources

6,095 m

G 115E · Service ceiling

Single source

6,095 m (20,000 ft)^[source]

5,000 m

Service ceiling

Single source

5,000 m (16,000 ft)^[source]

5.3m/sG 115E · 1,050 ft/min

—

Rate of climb

All recorded figures & sources

5.3 m/s

G 115E · 1,050 ft/min

Single source

5.3 m/s (1,050 ft/min)^[source]

Bars compare reported quantities only. A larger figure does not make a system better; configurations and test conditions differ.

Configuration

Details

Grob G 115 and Morane-Saulnier MS.230 configuration
Specification	Grob G 115	Morane-Saulnier MS.230
Type	Basic trainer^[source]	Elementary Trainer^[source]
Manufacturer	Grob Aircraft^[source]	Morane-Saulnier^[source]
Status	active^[source]	—
Primary users	Royal Air Force Egyptian Air Force Finnish Air Force Royal Navy Army Air Corps (UK)^[source]	—
Manufactured	1985–present^[source]	—
Introduction date	1999^[source]	—
First flight	November 1985^[source]	February 1929^[source]
Fuel capacity	143 L (31 imp gal; 38 US gal) usable^[source]	220 L (58 US gal; 48 imp gal) jettison-able fuselage tank with a 22 L (5.8 US gal; 4.8 imp gal) centre-section gravity tank^[source]
Aspect ratio	8.2:1^[source]	—
Airfoil	Eppler 696^[source]	—
Propellers	3-bladed Hoffmann HO-V343K-V/183GY Constant-speed propeller , 1.83 m (6 ft 0 in) diameter^[source]	2-bladed fixed-pitch wooden propeller^[source]
Stall speed	91 km/h (57 mph, 49 kn) (60 degree flap)^[source]	—
Never exceed speed	341 km/h (212 mph, 184 kn)^[source]	260 km/h (160 mph, 140 kn)^[source]
g limits	+ 6.0/ - 3.0^[source]	—
Country of origin	Deutschland^[source]Country of design · Entwurfsland	—
Primary user	—	Armée de l'Air Flight School, Reims, France^[source]
Number built	—	1000+^[source]
Time to altitude	—	3,000 m (9,800 ft) in 11 minutes 18 seconds^[source]
Wing loading	—	61.3 kg/m 2 (12.6 lb/sq ft)^[source]
Power/mass	—	0.1429 kW/kg (0.0869 hp/lb)^[source]

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Grob G 115

Morane-Saulnier MS.230

Type

Basic trainer^[source]

Elementary Trainer^[source]

Manufacturer

Grob Aircraft^[source]

Morane-Saulnier^[source]

Status

active^[source]

—

Primary users

Royal Air Force Egyptian Air Force Finnish Air Force Royal Navy Army Air Corps (UK)^[source]

—

Manufactured

1985–present^[source]

—

Introduction date

1999^[source]

—

First flight

November 1985^[source]

February 1929^[source]

Fuel capacity

143 L (31 imp gal; 38 US gal) usable^[source]

220 L (58 US gal; 48 imp gal) jettison-able fuselage tank with a 22 L (5.8 US gal; 4.8 imp gal) centre-section gravity tank^[source]

Aspect ratio

8.2:1^[source]

—

Airfoil

Eppler 696^[source]

—

Propellers

3-bladed Hoffmann HO-V343K-V/183GY Constant-speed propeller , 1.83 m (6 ft 0 in) diameter^[source]

2-bladed fixed-pitch wooden propeller^[source]

Stall speed

91 km/h (57 mph, 49 kn) (60 degree flap)^[source]

—

Never exceed speed

341 km/h (212 mph, 184 kn)^[source]

260 km/h (160 mph, 140 kn)^[source]

g limits

+ 6.0/ - 3.0^[source]

—

Country of origin

Deutschland^[source]Country of design · Entwurfsland

—

Primary user

—

Armée de l'Air Flight School, Reims, France^[source]

Number built

—

1000+^[source]

Time to altitude

—

3,000 m (9,800 ft) in 11 minutes 18 seconds^[source]

Wing loading

—

61.3 kg/m 2 (12.6 lb/sq ft)^[source]

Power/mass

—

0.1429 kW/kg (0.0869 hp/lb)^[source]